tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post5816348308686223223..comments2023-07-01T14:46:02.985-05:00Comments on Skating in the Garden in High Heels under my Alb.: Gaudete Sunday and that Pesky Pink CandlePastor Joelle Colville-Hansonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06099855286381262526noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-844093427865177602015-12-05T14:01:50.445-06:002015-12-05T14:01:50.445-06:00The congregation I am currently serving uses 3 whi...The congregation I am currently serving uses 3 white candles, with one blue one for 3 Advent. It makes no sense, but they are the plastic, oil-filled candles, so there is no way to get rid of them. Also, the wreath screws into the Paschal candle stand. I had to unscrew the Paschal candle from the middle of the wreath on 1 Advent! Then there was a death - and no way to light the Paschal candle because the stand is in use for the wreath. I wish church supply houses would stop promoting the Paschal candle/advent wreath combo. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03408711081379169057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-82097212237257845342011-12-21T18:07:10.823-06:002011-12-21T18:07:10.823-06:00My dear Nixon, I was just wondering what had happe...My dear Nixon, I was just wondering what had happend to you. You have a very, merry...whatever!Pastor Joellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212838423929588352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-36921893050156980532011-12-20T10:45:20.532-06:002011-12-20T10:45:20.532-06:00Yeah, once people recognize that this stuff is pre...Yeah, once people recognize that this stuff is pretty much irrelevant, there's no telling what they might do. They might start to worship in numbers and percentages similar to those of Germany and Scandinavia and the Baltic and Christmas and funerals would be the only time you'd get to see 90% of the people who supposedly believe this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-30081731504063491692011-12-19T18:16:48.732-06:002011-12-19T18:16:48.732-06:00Another factor is undoubtedly the advent (no pun i...Another factor is undoubtedly the advent (no pun intended) of paraments, and to some extent the matching vestments, that are not just colored and tasseled, but decorated with symbols related to the season. If purple paraments and vestments were simply purple fabric with gold fringe (or maybe something like a trifold and triangle or two), they can work for either season. But when purple paraments are obtained that include symbols such as crowns of thorns and nails which point to the passion Lent prepares for, they don't really work for Advent any longer. It is then natural that advent paraments and vestments might develop with candles or other symbols related to this season. With distinctions so being made, a distinction in color follows fairly easily.<br /><br />Besides, it seems that the tradition of colors has varied over time, with our current system of relatively recent origins. I'm not sure that shifting practice in liturgical colors really needs to be of great concern, as long as there is some reasonable connection between color and season and done with care (rather than just whims of fashion: "Let's see, I think I want to wear my chartreuse stole today.").Mark C. Christiansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02819932966315054909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-230803649264830522011-12-19T15:16:52.045-06:002011-12-19T15:16:52.045-06:00Honestly most congregations went to blue because t...Honestly most congregations went to blue because they thought it was prettier.Pastor Joellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212838423929588352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-5524334082123513622011-12-19T13:38:02.472-06:002011-12-19T13:38:02.472-06:00The longer I live, the less I like blue. It is em...The longer I live, the less I like blue. It is emblematic of two different, and related, trends: (1) the watering down of liturgical customs, such as the penitential character of Advent; and (2) the use of dubious authorities to do so, in this case Sarum and some supposed Scandivavian diocese which nobody -- including Frank Senn -- seems able to name.<br /><br />This isn't really about candles, so much as vestments. But once you make the false jump from "it's not church-dividing" to "it doesn't matter," you're on a slippery slope that winds up with every parish, and every pastor, doing whatever they like and calling it traditional.Father Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170260624474428623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-51713575964732521292011-12-19T07:08:36.291-06:002011-12-19T07:08:36.291-06:00Oh now that is interesting I've found an older...Oh now that is interesting I've found an older tradition that has changed to the 4th Sunday.Pastor Joellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212838423929588352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-5868294404193426222011-12-19T07:07:05.797-06:002011-12-19T07:07:05.797-06:00this was several years ago and it was not an optio...this was several years ago and it was not an option to buy 4 blue advent candles. Maybe they've had more requests since then. I do think white is the way to go.Pastor Joellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212838423929588352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-58492956310680354942011-12-19T02:23:45.422-06:002011-12-19T02:23:45.422-06:00Anglican tradition is still very much purple for A...Anglican tradition is still very much purple for Advent and, if you have a pink candle (many churches still have four red ones with a white one in the middle for Christmas Day), it is lit on the fourth Sunday. I'd not heard of blue for Advent before!Mrs Redboots (Annabel Smyth)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11270027663691257254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-27507979816508638422011-12-18T22:34:50.474-06:002011-12-18T22:34:50.474-06:00Hmm. The Augsburg Fortress website lists a number ...Hmm. The Augsburg Fortress website lists a number of options, including four blue candles, and that's what I remember from my days in Customer Service there. Maybe they were out of stock when you called?<br /><br />Anyway, "Gaudete Sunday" is still very much alive in the lessons for the third Sunday in Advent, I'd just say forget about a pink candle and do all white (or blue/purple to match the paraments, if you desire).Mark C. Christiansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02819932966315054909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7773623136948763395.post-20153983862764824552011-12-18T21:12:23.778-06:002011-12-18T21:12:23.778-06:00Oh, oh, oh... The church I now attend does 4 blue ...Oh, oh, oh... The church I now attend does 4 blue candles, and I think most do not even know we used to use purple and pink. I do love the liturgy and the traditions. I know Episcopalians who still do the whole Gaudete Sunday rose with all the trimmings. <br />And yes, Christ has/is/will come, no matter what color we use. :-)RuthAnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06927687353277955740noreply@blogger.com